Animal Talk – Harris the Pony

Animal Talk – Harris the Pony

Published Sunday June 16, 2024 by Candace Craw-Goldman

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We continue communicating with the Equines at Candace’s Kansas Farm, Atira Moon. Today we chat with Harris, a 20 year old New Forest Pony, who has just a tiny bit of a Napoleon complex! Join Channel William Brown, his wife Allison Brown and Candace for this fun conversation!

Will

Most of my lives have been much bigger horses like…Yes. I think you understand them as drafts, where they’re big, and they pull all the big heavy equipment. And yes, they’re much bigger. And those are the ones I enjoy so much, because, well, one, we’re so big, we can see over everything and two well, that understanding of being the boss, you don’t even have to try to be the boss, because when you’re that big, you’re just the boss. So, I think that might be some of what I’m feeling, now, when I feel that energy from Hickory. I want to be that big, bossy energy, but it’s hard in this little body.

Candace

Hi, everyone, it’s Candace craw Goldman again from quantumhealers.com, and it’s another episode of animal talk with Will and Alison Brown. Hi, guys!

Will

Hey, whats going on!

Allison

Hello!

Candace

Oh, well, it’s very windy here in Kansas, I did send Allison, a video of the horse we’re going to talk to today, just because he’s been awful cute. His name’s Harris. So, let’s catch some people up or sort of set the stage here, with what we’re doing. My beautiful friends here are a fantastic, animal communication team. Will is a channel and one of their arms of their services and business is talking to animals. So, is there anything you guys want to say about that?

Allison

Just that we have a lot of horse energy in our field over the past probably six months? So, it’ll be fun to do this session again, because the horses have a lot to teach us.

Will

We’ve been introduced to many new clients, and particularly through a particular podcast that we did, that introduced us to a lot of individuals that are horse owners. So, a lot of our sessions have been specifically horses, which has been very interesting.

Candace

Yeah, you know, someday, I’m gonna make a clip here, maybe we can do a video short, you guys can send it to him. Warwick Schiller, he’s amazing. Um, I find myself yelling in a good way. At the screen or at the podcast’s sake, ‘I was doing that!’ When he’s does something. When all the horse people around me told me I shouldn’t be doing that. I mean, it has happened so many times. He’s like my hero and I think it’d be a lot of fun to catch up with him and, and have us all talk about all of this, if that could possibly happen someday. It’s sort of a dream of mine.

Allison

That would be that’d be a blast.

Candace

All right. So, for those of you who are listening, what we have done before, is Will and Allison have actually talked to my horse, Lunabelle. And that’s been a number of years now, right? That was an interesting conversation. We talked to at least one dog and a few different cats I think is the way that’s worked. And then we talk to our donkey Elvis. So, we have history with Luna, who’s three quarters Andalusian, one quarter Arabian mare, who’s never been a horse before. Who’s the most intense horse I’ve ever met, and she wasn’t what I ordered from the universe at all, but you know, I constantly walk up and go, ‘Okay, you know, I must have needed her,’ and I have my bet, as we’ve learned a lot from her, but she’s not a riding horse. She’s not an easy horse. She’s very opinionated. But anyway, that’s Luna. We did have her mare, her Mama Belle was with us for a while, Mama Belle has passed and then my horse Rio has also passed. I don’t think we talked to either of them.

Allison

I don’t think so.

Candace

But you know what, put it on your list because I think that would be an interesting sort of p.s. to even what we’re doing today. And some of what we’re doing today is now talking to another horse named Harris. And Harris is still with us. He’s a 20 year old forest pony. And he’s had, I haven’t had him his whole life or anything like that. I got him, I don’t know, maybe six, seven years ago, something like that. I’m gonna be not good with timing on that.

He’s a forest pony he’s not tiny, tiny pony, but he’s short enough to be classified a pony. He’s a real sweetheart. He really is. But he didn’t end up being the kind of athletic or brave horse that I wanted and needed after my beautiful Rio, who was a paint gelding passed on just last year. Yes, it was just last year. And so, we brought in Hickory. Much of our series, and work we’ve done together here on animal talk, has been about hickory and you know what, as you were saying six months, I was going like this underneath the table that was six months ago. Exactly! Where all of this was happening, and it was the craziest thing too, because Warwick came into your life. And Allison even asked, like, “Do you know who that is?” It happened, right I think at the time that I actually discovered him. And I think I may have even answered Allison, ‘No,’ but then he came up on my radar. Then it was later I was like, ‘Oh my God, you talked to him?’ And Allison was like, ‘I told you that!’ I’m like, I don’t even know and see all happen at the same time, and I wasn’t paying very close attention, but maybe I just hadn’t quite discovered him yet between those two times that we talked.

So, it has been about six months, since Hickory has been here. One of the things that’s going on here, just to sort of set the stage, Hickory and Elvis the donkey from the minute they saw each other, just like my horse Rio, they were buds, man. I mean, they were fine. They were like they had known each other for ever and ever. And it was great. Their interaction was great. Not so much with the other two, at all. Now I knew about hickory before coming in he was kind of a you know, bossy, but I thought that wasn’t going to be a problem. Why? Because the horse who had passed about a year ago, Rio, he was the boss, he was the absolute herd boss. So, I kind of thought, ‘Well, he’ll just slot right in, right?’ And the answer is, no.

Will

It’s like family dynamics!

Candace

It didn’t happen. I mean, the happiest thing for any horse owner is to be able to put everybody out together. We haven’t really done that. Luna and Hickory have had some time together but in general, the donkey and Hickory hang out a little bit or Hickory hangs out alone, they can always see each other they almost always share a fence a very sturdy fence. You know, so they can touch noses, so they can groom themselves if they want. But that’s actually not really what’s been happening. Mostly there’s a lot of Hickory being protective and challenging.

Did I say that? Harris is being protective and challenging to Luna or with Luna to Hickory and in a fight, if you were to see a fight between two horses, Harris and hickory, you know Harris this like sort of the slightly chubby, very much older, much shorter non muscular, dude. That’s Harris.

And then there’s been there’s hickory. Hickory is more of an athlete of a horse than I have ever owned in my life. I mean, he’s like, he’s like an Olympian. He’s like a rocket underneath me. He’s very opinionated, he’s very sensitive, he has a lot of get up and go any he does want to be boss, and he would want to be with them. Odds are they would all work it out. But quite frankly, my heart is still tender for my last two losses.

I haven’t put them together, I haven’t. They can touch, they can kiss, they can nuzzle even if they want but I have not put them, they’ve shared fence lines. Some people do that boarding facilities to keep their borders safe so that things don’t happen, and people don’t get really upset about a some somebody else’s horse hurting their horse at a facility. So, this is not an uncommon thing. Quite frankly, the donkey and the two other horses, they’re kind of chunky monkeys, and hickory is not. So, hickory can have more grass and more pasture. The others I have to monitor their consumption a little bit more. So that’s the setup here. That’s kind of what’s going on here. We wanted to talk to Harris, you know, some of the questions I have about that. But what you all should know is since we last talked, I have a number of times, maybe half dozen, I have put hickory and Harris together on the horse trailer together. It’s a stock horse trailer. So, one goes in, I close the door and they sort of sit sideways and then another one goes in and I close the door. And I’ve driven them around. And the bonus of them sort of learning that they’re going someplace together even though I haven’t gone anywhere, other than just around the farm, is Luna gets so upset about that, but she runs and that’s her exercise.

Will

The consequences, exercise!

Candace

Yes, yes. It’s like you know, I mean it’s truly killing two birds with one stone doing all that plus, I would like to do this, I would like to take those boys to fun shows together. Tie one, ride the other so that they both get used and they both go and do things and that is my goal. So, we’re going to talk about all of that today. And with all of that long setup.

Will

Well, I do have a question, can you, because I don’t know, but a forest pony. What is the term forest-does that just mean out in the forest? I mean, or is there some other meaning to that?

Candace

Thank you for asking! Actually, forest ponies, I hope I’m saying this correctly, because

you know, somebody out there will correct me, or I’ll go look it up for sure later. But actually, you know, they’re a breed of horse that were, like you guys have had those wild ponies out? Yes. And some of the other wild mustangs it’s an actual breed of pony, it’s European. And if you heard of like the New Forest, okay, so that is giving me goosebumps, I must be correct. Suddenly, I have goosebumps saying this. I actually, when I went to the UK a few years back and I met Magenta Pixie, she lives there! She lives in the place in the UK, where these horses, a number of them, still are given free range and free, you know, freedom to move about this place in England, and it is a particular breed of horse or pony. And it’s small and very stocky, usually very long manes and tails. There you go

Allison

And we’ll have a picture up for everybody. So, you can see Harris.

Will

So now I envision, who is the, now it’s escaping me. But you know, back in the castle days, medieval days in the forest, you know, Sherwood Forest and all of that. We’ve hit the ponies. So yes, that’s what I envision in my head now. So yes.

Candace

That’s what he is.

Allison

All right. I’m anxious to talk to him and see what we can do about this herd business.

Candace

Yeah. He, you know, one of the reasons I got Harris, I should say is, he wasn’t, I think I said that already. He wasn’t really brave, you know. I wanted to get a horse that would step out a little bit more. I’m sure hoping that Harris can kind of come around. I mean, a happy thing would  to be able to, we call it pony. When you ride a horse and hold a horse that’s called ponying another horse. That’d be my dream. I used to do that with Rio and Mamma Belle all the time.

Allison

Well, we shall see. All right. I’m gonna get off screen here.

Will

All right, just to get all the energy settled and get connected together. I’m just gonna ask just to take a couple deep cleansing breaths. Nice, long inhale through the nose. Nice, long exhale through the mouth just. You’re doing it I’m gonna go ahead and begin.

Hello, Hello.

Forgive me, but where am I?

Allison

You’re here in the treehouse speaking to us in a human voice so we can understand you better.

Will

Interesting. Yes, it was. Forgive me, but I must take a minute to just get comfortable. That is exciting.

It’s a bit of a journey here. So, yes, it was. I was hearing my name. I could feel like a shiver take over me, and then all of a sudden here I am.

Okay.

Allison

Well, we appreciate you joining us. Actually, it’s your energy that’s with us. Your body is still back on the farm.

Will

Yes, I am. I understand that. And so that’s why I say it’s just. I don’t think I’ve experienced anything like this. So, just settling in, yes.

Allison

Well, we appreciate you doing that. Harris. And actually, I’m not sure if you’re aware, but we’ve spoken to many of the other animals on the farm.

Will

Yes, I am aware of well, many of them having conversations. But I didn’t understand exactly quite the conversation they were having. But now I do. So yes, this is going to be quite exciting.

Allison

It will be Thank you. And actually your mom is here with us watching. Yes. I sense that. Would you like to say hello?

Will

Yes, I would. Hello, mother. Oh, goodness, I understand that, well, that you may have put all this together. So thank you for that. I’m quite looking forward to having this conversation. Because I know that we talked quite a bit. But now that the words are who just like you say them, it’s going to be interesting now how I can look at you. And you look at me. And I wonder, it might not be that I’ll be able to say them from my lips. But that voice that I talk to you with is going to be much more clear, I think. So, yes, thank you for this opportunity. And I just also want to say thank you so much for all that you do. You’re always so present with all of us. You’re always right there, just as we need you. And yes,

we can hear you speaking to us, even before you well, even before you leave the house, we know you’re coming. And we know that you’re talking to us. And you’re getting everything ready. So, I thank you for that. And now, oh, goodness, I think the conversations there’s going to be plenty to talk about now.

Allison

Yes. I think you’re right. And do you remember your mom coming out a few hours ago, and she was taking a video of you and telling you that you were going to have this conversation?

Will

Yes. I wasn’t quite sure exactly what she was meaning by having a conversation. I knew that, yes, it was going to be something like the others had. But I still didn’t understand. But now I understand. Yes.

Allison

Wonderful. Do you mind then if we ask you some questions?

Will

Go right ahead. That’s fine.

Allison

Wonderful. I’d like to ask you some questions about your history on the farm. And before you arrived, but when you arrived at the farm, you settled into the herd with Mama Belle and Luna and Rio. You got along really well, you allowed Rio to kind of be in charge and be the herd leader. But once Mama Belle and Rio both passed, and then hickory was brought in things have changed a bit with your personality. We’re curious if you could talk to us about that, from your perspective. What is the dynamic there?

Will

Oh, yes.

Yes, there has been some adjustment that is taking place. How do I explain. Well see, because I didn’t grow up there. I was brought in. It was comfortable to just kind of walk right into it. Because everyone just seemed to take care of everyone else. And everyone just understood their role. And so, well, I did what I needed to do, they were doing what they needed to do. We would look at Rio, and understand, well, Rio is the one that had all the understanding, because well, mother taught him correctly. So we all followed Rio. And we were okay with that. And I was okay with that. And everyone else was okay with that. When they, finally transitioned, well, that took all of that, well, I guess you would understand all of that energy out of all of us, kind of left us wondering, well, who’s going to be in charge? Because we really didn’t understand how to be in charge. We wanted to, but we just looked at each other like, ‘well, do we really need to have someone in charge I think we can do this all on our own and be comfortable with that.’

So, that’s kind of what we did for that short amount of time. And yes, well, Hickory arrives. Well, that was interesting, because for a moment there, everyone, just for a short amount of time, everyone was okay. There was some adjustment, everyone just kind of settled for just a moment, we still understood that there wasn’t going to be the need for someone to be that leader. But then I think hickory understood himself to be that leader.

Even though, well, I have a bit of age on Hickory. It’s a bit difficult, when he decided that he was going to be the stronger one. I wanted to make sure to let him know that, well, that’s kind of my role. But I’ve not done it before, but I’m going to do what I need to do to show you that it’s my role. I don’t know if I’m doing it right, but I’m gonna try and it’s just uncomfortable. I want hickory to understand that he can, he can have that role, but he’s just a bit much. Everyone on the farm, even back before, yes, before their transition. There wasn’t the need to have a strong leader, or one that was a bit bossy one that needs to boss everybody around and just lead everyone around. We all understood what we needed to do, even though there was yes, Rio was that one, but he wasn’t bossy all the time.

But hickory. Hickory tends to be a bit bossy all the time. And so that’s when, well, because I’m older, I’m going to be a bit bossy back to him. And let him know that we can’t have this, and we have to just relax a little bit, because everything was fine before. Now we’re just trying to settle everything out. And I think it’s going to take some more time because I know mother has been trying her best to get us together and to bring us alongside each other. But it’s like, for a short amount I can tolerate and understand. I don’t know if hickory does. Yes, it’s a bit challenging.

Allison

I understand. Thank you. That was beautiful. Thank you for taking the time to share your feelings and help us understand it from your perspective.

Will

See, how mothers raised us it’s different than what I’m used to.

So, I stepped into a family that was comfortable already. So it’s easy just to take in that role and be okay with that. Mother’s taught us that. I don’t know the correct word. To be okay with each other, and to, well, oh, yes, be respectful to each other. I think sometimes hickory doesn’t understand that just yet. There’s still some adjusting that’s needed. So we’re all trying to respect each other. Mother tries, as best as she can. And we’re all trying to do our best to get along, and it’s just at times challenging.

Allison

I understand, do you think given hickory’s personality that he’ll finally relax a bit?

Will

I feel at times I have to keep a bit of pressure on him to let him know that he may be a stronger one. He may be the Bossy one. He also has to understand that, well, I’m a bit older than he is, and he needs to understand that and, yes, respect that. And allow everyone just to settle and be comfortable even for Elvis and everyone else. There’s times where, when hickory is around, everyone’s hairs kind of stand up a little bit, because we’re not quite sure exactly what he’s going to want to do right at that moment.

So, we just have to watch just to make sure everything’s comfortable. Even though Elvis gets along, he’s still got one eye that’s just making sure that everything is just going to be okay.

Allison

That’s really interesting, because it’s not unlike what happens in the human world, where you have a well-oiled machine at work, and then you get a new boss, and the new boss is quite bossy comes in and disrupts the applecart and it takes a little bit of time for that community to develop again, and for the boss to kind of mellow.

Will

Well, I’m not quite sure about that. But see. I can’t say it’s the same way, maybe to a certain point. But what we have to deal with is a lot of, you understand instinct? Well, instinct is something that goes much further back. So, it’s, how we’re raised. When we first arrive, it’s, all of those different times that we’ve been a horse or some other animal, all those instincts are always present. We have to adjust to all those different instincts. I’m not quite sure of all hickory’s instincts, and but it seems like he wants to keep everyone kind of aware of his presence, just making sure that well, when he’s out that everyone’s just making sure that he’s present with everyone.

We want to be able to just relax when we’re out and not have to, well, what’s he doing now? Do I have to worry about what he’s doing? And even though we may go right up to the fence with them, they’re still just a bit there that, okay, not quite sure what you’re going to do at the moment. I’m going to just keep my eye on you just to make sure.

Allison

Right. Right. That makes a lot of sense. Your mom wonders, though, you’ve been a little bit less patient with her. Are you upset with her about this whole change?

Will

No, I’m not upset at all. It’s letting mother know that, well, I’m trying to adjust. I’m trying to fill that role that elder role, I guess you could say, and it’s a bit difficult. I may not have as much patience with mother at times because I’ve given all my patients to Hickory and just trying to adjust to all that. So I’m not trying to take anything out on mother at all. No, I just, at times, I’m just a bit, I guess you would say, frustrated.

Allison

I understand. Thank you for being honest.

Will

I’m trying my best to adjust to it all. I’m okay with the changes. I just, I was hoping that well, like how I just entered into the family and settled in, and everything seemed to be okay. That, well, the same even before hickory showed up. Mother was telling us that there’s going to be a new horse, there’s going to be someone new, and everything will be okay. And that’s what we were expecting that he would just settle in and understand, well, this is how this family works. But I don’t know, I guess maybe because he didn’t have that kind of family before. So now he’s adjusting to being in a relaxed family, I guess. Not one that’s always doing something. Yes, I think he has a lot of energy that he wants to get out and needs to do things. So, I think once he gets to do a lot of things, and maybe exercise more, and go run some more and do all kinds of I don’t know, activities, then that might calm him a bit. And he’ll just be present when he’s around us.

Allison

I think you’re right, Harris. Thank you for all of that. So, I wanted to ask about your past before you came to the farm. Apparently, your previous mother used you for dressage in an arena, mostly. But your current mom now wants to take you on trail rides and in the woods and things like that. You really don’t seem to have ever liked that. Can you tell me about that?

Will

Yes, it’s an interesting thing. I can say I’ve had plenty of lives where I’ve been just enjoying myself out in the pasture and out in the woods, and on the trails. And this life? Well, I kind of have both, and so what I’m used to, yes, is the nice arena, and just the nice stables and just the comfortableness of not having to worry about being in the woods or on trial but I know that mother would like me to do that. And I know she’s talking to me about it. I hear her and I’m trying to let her know that one step at a time. A lot of her focus right now is with hickory and trying to get that adjusted. I know that she’s wanting us to do stuff together but getting out in the woods, it just feels different. I don’t know there’s something about going and understanding what Rena feels like or that to being out in the woods and on a trail. I would like to explore that more but I don’t know.

I think it’ll take some time. I don’t want to say I was pampered, and I don’t want to say that I’m being pampered but I lived before coming to mothers. Or rather, I’ll say, just a comfortable life, where that’s all I needed to do and that’s all he needed to know. But now, learning all about trails and out in the woods. That’s a whole other thing.

I know that there’s something in me that wants to go. But then there’s another portion of me that says, you’re okay right where you are and you’re comfortable. So maybe you need to relax a little bit. I want to honor that from other. But it’s a bit difficult for my, for me to think about that. So I’m not quite sure how to answer that.

Allison

I see. Well, thank you, Harris. You were honest again, and we appreciate that. You also had some hoof issues a while back that seemed to have recovered. How are you feeling?

Will

Oh, yes. Mother’s done a good job with that. I’m feeling very good. There’s still a few little tender spots. But it that’s it’s going away quite quickly. So yes, I do appreciate all the work that she’s done for them.

Allison

But what about the medications that you’re taking to help handle your sugar? The sugar in your system is that working?

Will

Yes, that’s interesting because, how do I say this? When I have it. When mother gives that to me. I feel fine before. And then immediately after I get a little, I don’t know how you would say that. Right after you wake up, you feel you feel refreshed, and you feel ready to go. But then you start to walk a little bit, and everything gets just a little uncomfortable. And then that goes away. So, I don’t know if that’s the medicine or if it’s just me, but that’s usually what happens. I get that I get. I feel like I’m ready to go. And then I take a couple steps and things get just a little, off balance. And then it goes away rid of me.

Allison

I see. Yes. Would you call it dizziness? Like you might fall over or stumble?

Will

It starts in my stomach. And then it kind of goes to my head. So, I don’t I don’t know if it be that where I want to fall over. But I just feel like I have to just stop for a moment. And then it goes away and then I’m fine.

Allison

I see. Can you do a body scan and let us know if there’s anything else that your mom needs to be aware of?

Will

Yes, oh, yes. Everything seems to be just fine. There’s, there’s just some around my hips, and I guess you would say my back to where it’s just, at times a bit uncomfortable. It’s after? Oh, yes. If I, if I stand in one spot for too long, and then everything gets a little tight. And so, I have to just go slow. And, and, and after a few steps. It loosens up but it’s still it’s still a little uncomfortable. But I can deal with that.

Allison

Okay, thank you for checking on that. I am curious. Have you always incarnated as a horse? Or have you?

Will

Yes. It’s always been a horse. Yes. Most definitely. Yes. This is not my this is not my first time being a horse at all. No. Yes. Yes. Oh, somebody lives to look at. Yes. Yes. For this for this, like, this is this is the first time being in, in this in this type of body. Most of my lives had been much bigger horses like, oh yes. I think you understand them as drafts were they’re big, and they pull all the big heavy equipment. And yes, they’re much bigger. And those are the ones I I enjoy so much, because, well, one, we’re so big. We can see over everything and two, well, that understanding of being the boss, you don’t even have to try to be the boss because when you’re that big, you’re just the boss. So I think that might be some of what I’m feeling now. When I feel that energy from Hickory. I want to be that big, bossy energy. But it’s hard in this little body.

Allison

Was there anything notable in any of those lives that would help us to understand you better?

Will

Oh, goodness. I oh, yes. This is the first time to where I haven’t really had to work hard. And I enjoy that. I do enjoy some work. Yes. Yes. Being the big horses. Yes, that’s all we ever did. But even some of the other horses. There’s, I like, I don’t know what you would. I like having a task. I like having things to do and being able to figure things out. And I know that mother gives me small tasks, but I, I do. It keeps me thinking about things. So yes, because I haven’t really done a lot of hard work in this life. So I think maybe that too. I’m missing some of that.

Allison

Oh, I see. That makes a lot of sense. Well, Harris, this has been very enlightening. And we so appreciate your perspective about what’s going on at the farm. Your mom does really want to give you more exercise and attention, preferably at the same time as hickory. So hopefully we can help to make that work.

Will

Yes. I think in time, it’s only been a short while as hickory has been with us. And I think he’s he too, is just still trying to settle in and figure things out. And I know that mother’s working with him quite a bit. So yes, I think there’s still some time that everything will just settle fine. But we’re all

we’re all trying to figure out exactly. Who’s going to be the boss.

Allison

Yes, I see that. Thank you. So before we close, is there anything else that you need your mom to know why you have this voice?

Will

Well, I, I know she tells all of us all the time how much she loves us. And we tell her back. But there’s something special about being able to use the same word. So, I’m going to say very loud. I want to say how much I love you. And I know that that. Well. We know that we’re all meant to be with you. And we’re all doing our best. And so I just want to say for all of us too, that we all love you and all the things you do because your heart we can feel it so many miles away. And it’s always with us. So, thank you.

Allison

Oh Harris. That was so lovely. It’s been such a pleasure getting to talk to you today. Thank you for coming in. Thank you.

Candace

All right. So, Harris, my beautiful. My beautiful Harris with that wonderful love tribute right away. I was I almost I was like trying to unmute myself and say I love you.

Allison

He knows he said he knows but oh my gosh, I don’t have usually have favorites. But I kind of have a favorite. He was so sweet. Oh my gosh. He was so earnest and so heartfelt and trying to parse his words so that he didn’t hurt anybody’s feelings or anything like that. And just to tell you how he felt. Oh my gosh.

Candace

Yes. Earnest is a great word for Harris. Great work. Do you remember the energy?

Will

Yeah. So it I mean, when the full I’ll say the full force of his energy settled in it presented very big.

Allison

And it took him a while. Yeah, you recall for him to get adjusted.

Will

I could feel it there kind of just it was like, it’d be like if you were to try to call him over. And he’s just like, Yeah, I don’t know if I want to trust you just yet. But when he does when he acknowledges, boom. And it was like this big, overwhelming energy I was expecting because from what you were describing, you know, he’s a pony. Yeah, I was. I was kind of expecting this gentle little energy. No, this energy. It hit like a ton of bricks. And it was like, Whoa,

Allison

He did say he had been a draft horse and a horse and many lives. So, he feels that his energy is bigger than it is.

Candace

And these ponies are stocky ponies. He’s got a big neck and I was I was looking on my phone because you know what I did, which is a lot of fun. And I will edited into this. We have ring cameras out there. I actually I don’t know if you’ve done this much or often, but while you were channeling Harris, I was recording video of him. Okay, so we’ll actually have like when it was happening, and most of the time he was eating off a great, great big hay bale. And I didn’t do it for the entire time, but I will I will add that a little later.

Will

We have we have certain pet sessions that people express at the end that the animal could be nowhere to be found. But as soon as I drop into their, their energy, they just like come running in and want to be like right on their lap or on screen or whatever. Yeah.

Candace

Well, what’s interesting is right where the camera was, you know? That’s right where he was so it’s almost like he was asking for that. Yeah, it was great but that so here’s an interesting thing. You’ve done a number of horses.

The part that surprised me, it didn’t surprise me that he’s been a horse a lot. That didn’t surprise me. It didn’t surprise me at all that it was like this first time I was little although he’s never been. I’ve loved the well I was basically saying this as far as like I’m concerned. Well, I was comfortable everyone was comfortable. When I came here, I just slid into the comfortable now why can’t hickory do that?

I mean it’s kind of what you said right?

Allison

We have this nice little family.

Candace

Where does Hickory go in here where there doesn’t have to be a leader or a boss and he comes in and ruins it!

Allison

And he’s so bossy. He’s bossy all the time. See now that Rio was a leader but he wasn’t a boss all the time. He mellowed down a little bit.

Candace

He did he did so yeah, it’s too, too much cowbell too much too much boss too much of him. He said he was a bit much!

Allison

And he said his patience was already worn thin. So by the time you come around, he doesn’t have any patience left for you.

Candace

Here’s the part though that that confuses me a little bit. So I’m going back to now with the horses and knowing horses and knowing the dynamics first of all, we’re almost always typically the there’s the mares, even if there’s a stallion even if there’s younger stallions, even if there’s a head lead stallion who is running in having his mares. The one who leads the herd and who is you know, truly like the internal leader of the dynamics is always a mare, always a mare. It never was with us because Rio was boss. And then of course, hickory’s trying to be boss. But the part that surprised me about the information was when he was, he was trying to be like the elder. Yeah, elder wise horse. He was like, well, he should be you should learn something for me because I’m a whole lot older than he is. Right? That that whole part was like, Harris, you’ve been around other horses then and you understand the dynamics. You didn’t stand a chance. You know, you’re a gelding, you’re small and you’re old.

And you’re overweight, a little bit not so much anymore he really is not overweight. He was, you know, he’s stocky, and he’s, he’s not athletic. He’s very cute. And he’s, he’s wonderful and all of that. But I mean, it’s just, you know, it’s like, I don’t know, it’s like Mike Tyson and Spanky from The Little Rascals or something. I don’t know. It’s just hugely different energies. And he’s like, I want to be boss.

Allison

I felt that it was mostly it was almost like hickory was enacting. Harris’s coming in. In other words, Harris came in and acclimated. Then hickory was doing the exact same thing but wasn’t doing it in the way that Harris did. And it’s not. It’s not fair.

Candace

It’s exactly right. He didn’t use those words. And he did it that way. But that is definitely what I got. Yeah, why couldn’t he do it the way I did it, right? Right.

Allison

And we’d all be happy and everything would be fine. It’s not fair that he can come in and just pretend to be the boss when I came in, and I didn’t do that.

Candace

You know, there’s a real part of me that was listening to that and all and extrapolating, like back kind of a little bit to our community in the form, right, which is like I don’t, I don’t want to tell I don’t want to be the guru and tell everyone what to do and how to do it. Why can’t we do it this way, you know, and in this, here comes this old energy back, like well, I want to just tell you all what to do, you know, and yeah, he took a little bit of exception to that, you know, from the time that we arranged all this and then rescheduled at least at least once. Harris has really mellowed. It almost isn’t that I needed hickory to mellow as much as even Harris and Harris has been a little less concerned about inserting himself into these situations. Their interactions used to be a lot more lively and now it’s like okay, we better get it over with let’s get over to the fence. Okay, all right. Are we done now it can we you know, it’s a little of that it’s almost like they’re doing it for me or something but this was fantastic and I look forward to showing you video of you know us we together as a team and what I mean is me and hickory and Harris you know people do this and there’s a rodeo playdate arena not too far from here. And you know people will even single people will take two horses tie one up, ride one and then ride the other and that is my goal is to do that and neither one of them must go out into the scary woods.

For that to happen, you know, in this whole time when he’s talking about the woods, I have to say this part though, and I’m thinking you’re a forest pony.

Allison

But for 20 years, he didn’t have to do that.

Candace

That’s true. He just went round round in a circle.

Allison

He said he had a comfortable life. He’s not looking to be uncomfortable at this point, Candace.

Not walking over rocks and twigs and streams and all that kind of stuff.

Candace

I have taken him out and we have ridden it’s just I especially since dad has been here my riding is severely curtailed. Yeah. And then losing the other two.

Will

Sounds like it sounds like Harris is a little bougie.

Allison

Harris is bougie, comfortable was the word.

Candace

and a homebody.

Allison

He was sweet. I loved his energy.

Candace

He said he wants to he wants to do things. And that’s what I’m also thinking of. And of course, we will talk about this more. I’m gonna make like an obstacle and trail thing in in one of my paddocks. Or basically something to do with horses, you know, it doesn’t have to be speed, its finesse, and it’s some other things like that. So, we have a whole lot more to talk about the future with all kinds of animals, and all kinds of things. So, thank you for letting me talk to my beautiful Harris.

Will

Absolutely.

Allison

Our pleasure.

Candace

This was amazing. All right. So that’s it for today everyone and thank you Will and Allison, you can find them on quantumhealers.com or palmandlotus.com and the links will be right below. Okay. Thanks for watching! Until next time on Animal Talk, bye, everybody!

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